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I was watching Super Rugby at the weekend and yellow cards were not given for feeble one handed attempts to play the ball. Surely playing all these different laws is going to have an impact when the 2 worlds collide.
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They're supposed to only be given when they prevent a line break. I do remember the commentators in one game saying a player was lucky to get away without a card.

The refereeing of high tackles and shoulder charges remains dreadful, ditto forward passes...
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I would have thought that the referee would have looked at the TV replay of Andre's alledged kdeliberate knock on.  In real time there would have been a strong argument that he was attempting to (and did make) the tackle.  Very harsh - but as Sunak would say within the rules :)
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Sunak plays rugby?
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Quote from: Teddington Taff on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 09:19*
I would have thought that the referee would have looked at the TV replay of Andre's alledged kdeliberate knock on.  In real time there would have been a strong argument that he was attempting to (and did make) the tackle.  Very harsh - but as Sunak would say within the rules :)

I thought it was a poor choice by the ref not to review. The replay that was shown made it look as if he was wrapping around the shoulders and his arms were nowhere near the ball, and he was unlucky that the pass hit him. It might be that on closer inspection it was deliberate, but it at least warranted a look before summarily waving the card. As it was, it effectively turned the game.
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"Was he (or she, Reg) in a position to catch the ball with both hands?" is a comment that you often hear - I've seen quite a few people catch the ball with one hand...

It's a bit like handball in footy - hand to ball/ball to hand - somethings you can't react fast enough to get your hand out of the way.

In many cases, if the ball were caught, the interception may be just as likely to score as if the initial pass were made; it's not (initially) always a scoring opportunity. Perhaps the sanction should always be a penalty unless it is clear that it was deliberate (if you can tell): defender has to have a hand/palm to the ball rather than finger tips and must be seen to not alter the trajectory of the ball other than to enable the same defender (shortly to become attacker) to catch the ball.
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Quote from: poorfour on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 10:08*
I thought it was a poor choice by the ref not to review. The replay that was shown made it look as if he was wrapping around the shoulders and his arms were nowhere near the ball, and he was unlucky that the pass hit him. It might be that on closer inspection it was deliberate, but it at least warranted a look before summarily waving the card. As it was, it effectively turned the game.

The wrap occurred after the knock-on - the French player had released the ball before Andre "wrapped".

It was extremely quick in real time, though. I thought the TMO had confirmed for the ref, hence no further inspection.
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Quote from: Brown Bottle on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 18:49*
The wrap occurred after the knock-on - the French player had released the ball before Andre "wrapped".

It was extremely quick in real time, though. I thought the TMO had confirmed for the ref, hence no further inspection.

It looked a pretty natural tackling motion to me. Often with these you see players shove that arm out weirdly, or make a bit of a flap at the ball, but it looked like a genuine tackle to me. Doesn't mean it was, though.

It's also very annoying when a ref decides to break with tradition and give the yellow despite the try being scored.
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Quote from: JammyGit on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 19:19*
It looked a pretty natural tackling motion to me. Often with these you see players shove that arm out weirdly, or make a bit of a flap at the ball, but it looked like a genuine tackle to me. Doesn't mean it was, though.

It's also very annoying when a ref decides to break with tradition and give the yellow despite the try being scored.

I know what you mean about the tackle but I thought Andre was trying to be clever, as I said at the time; I thought his eyes were on the ball. Doesn't mean they were.

The tradition bit fair enough. But wasn't it a try stopping knock on? I genuinely can't remember. I wonder if that got in the ref's head, if so. If they hadn't have scored straight away then penalty try and yellow? I don't know - if it was foul play no argument.
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I really don't think they should give a yellow card in a situation like yesterdays. I don't have a problem with it being a penalty, but if it is important that players wrap when tackling then I think it is dangerous to put something in place what potentially makes someone reluctant to put their arms there.

Surely safety is the main thing, and I can see players going to tackle, seeing the ball being passed and pulling their arm back to avoid the knock on.

The current rules seem to me to be a disincentive for tackling safely.
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Quote from: Keith Jenner on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 20:14*
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I can see players going to tackle, seeing the ball being passed and pulling their arm back to avoid the knock on.
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Really? I'm not sure why. If you knock the ball on in a tackle before the ball is passed that's just a knock on, isn't it?
If you can see the ball is leaving the hands then that's just a late but ok tackle, as long as you don't spread your arms wide and smack the ball forwards. 😁
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Quote from: J Scott on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 09:54*
Sunak plays rugby?

Sunak has introduced a "non dom" offside rule. Pay £30k, register as a "non dom" and you're no longer offside.

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Quote from: Nico Wilson on Monday 11-Apr-2022, 21:15*
Sunak has introduced a "non dom" offside rule. Pay £30k, register as a "non dom" and you're no longer offside.

I’m guessing Alex Brandt is against non dom status 🤔
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