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I’ve thought this for some time but think we’re way too open to swings in momentum.

Today was a classic example of a lack of leadership. Yes everyone can concede a couple of tries when 40 pts up but then a leader grabs the team and says enough is enough. Same last week, same vs Sarries at home.

I just don’t think Lewies is a captain, nor is Marcus or Dom. I hoped Launchbury would provide this but he isn’t.

For me I’d spend the money next year on a leader who will fight when the going gets tough and provide some backbone to the team
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Wasnt Launchberry captain at Wasps? Maybe hes just keeping his head down after being injured for so long?
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I certainly think we are in a period of having our weakest captains. To me Robshaw and Vos were the best I’ve seen in recent times and no one since really has come close.

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Wev maybe? Seems to be the one player who is guaranteed his place and you think probably has the respect of his teammates? And you can always rely on not to go missing?
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I think the future captain needs to come from inside the club and preferable from one of the younger players but don’t think this will happen until some of the old guard have retired. When Lewies was asked to be captain he phoned round Marler, Care etc to find out their thoughts on him becoming captain before accepting the post. My candidates would include Baxter, Hammond, Riley who are looking like long term players for Quins and who are listened to on the pitch.
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Yes baxter and Hammond I was thinking too, although Hammond can blow very hot and cold. Baxter maybe not involved enough from prop? But for me Riley is one of 4nwho could be starting hooker any week at the moment.
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They are still young but confidence and game time get them there
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It's the Quins problem. I've lost count of the number if have I've watched where we've had a dozy 20 minutes (30 today) after half time and it the other team back in, or in a refreshing change decided not to pay for the first 20 and give the oppo a 22 point head start...
That was during Robshaw, Vos and subsequent eras... Maybe it's a cultural thing 🤷‍♂️
5 points from today, but we let them nab 2 by taking our foot off the gas. It ain't over ...

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There’s plenty of experience and leadership in that squad just at times like the last couple of weeks it really doesn’t look like it. I’d like to think a long term club captain emerges from the current crop of younger guys but this remains to be seen. My impression is that Dommers isn’t overall assertive enough with refs but generally has the respect of the team. Steph seems to have both but is never fit for any period and probably doesn’t get in our first choice team these days.
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Keeping in with blindside flankers…CCS as an outside bet?
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Quins don't seem to have that player at the minute with the character to put a rocket up everyone behind the posts having just conceded a soft try or two. Launchbury, Dommers, Lewies all seem a bit too passive. The person who probably gets the most animated when Quins are in that position is Marcus. I do think if he wants to fend off Fin Smith he needs to demonstrate that he can combine the wonderful stuff we saw in the first half with an ability to help the team wrestle back control and re-gain composure in difficult periods. Maybe making him captain could help him develop this area for both club and country and perhaps help to stave off the risk of a move to France at the same time?
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All it takes is a couple of wrong calls from the officials to change momentum. Yesterday, for example, I think it was Tyrone hacked the ball up field but it came off the leg of a Bath player which obviously wasn’t seen and Bath get the line out so we lose our advance up the pitch. Then the try that wasn’t; was? . Those things shouldn’t affect the players that much as you see it happen all the time. It does though and not just to us. I think it’s more likely that the intense efforts it takes to dominate the opposition and get that far ahead takes its toll. Then it doesn’t help when you’re tiring and things appear to be going against you. And if you had the replacements that Bath had and a nothing to lose attitude it starts a sense of doubt creeping in. Look how many times we did that to other teams in the past, especially our prem winning season. It’s not unique to Quins, it happens to all teams all the time some of which have very strong leaders.
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Quote from: Mayor West on Sunday 31-Mar-2024, 10:44*
All it takes is a couple of wrong calls from the officials to change momentum. Yesterday, for example, I think it was Tyrone hacked the ball up field but it came off the leg of a Bath player which obviously wasn’t seen and Bath get the line out so we lose our advance up the pitch. Then the try that wasn’t; was? . Those things shouldn’t affect the players that much as you see it happen all the time. It does though and not just to us. I think it’s more likely that the intense efforts it takes to dominate the opposition and get that far ahead takes its toll. Then it doesn’t help when you’re tiring and things appear to be going against you. And if you had the replacements that Bath had and a nothing to lose attitude it starts a sense of doubt creeping in. Look how many times we did that to other teams in the past, especially our prem winning season. It’s not unique to Quins, it happens to all teams all the time some of which have very strong leaders.
Like Saints shipping two trys to Saracens in the last two minutes of the game Friday night.
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I did say this in the original post that every team can switch off for 5-10 mins and concede a couple of tries. However the Quins element is then an inability to wrestle back momentum or steady the ship which has happened at least 4 times this season already.

I do think this is part of the reason Borthwick selects Farrell over Smith. As great as Marcus is, he doesn’t have the same ability to manage a game which is what the likes of Farrell, Pollard etc can do (appreciate I’m setting a high bar here but Marcus is good enough to be judged against these type of players).
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I'm not sure Borthwick is silly enough to think that Smith is responsible for the performance of his entire team, but you never know.
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