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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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CSW looked good on the ball but just not mobile enough for the premiership. Thought we played pretty well and agree totally with the Cassius comments ... what a star. Roll on sunday now
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Stafford had a bit of a torrid time.  His worst moment was dithering at the base of the ruck on our line to be slowly enveloped by Sale players resulting in a turnover and try.  He was later moved to the wing, and had a difficult time there too.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Both Chis and David head injuries. David’s looked innocuous but Chis’ was a heavy blow, stretchered off (looked like the knee of their 5, with something of a follow through about that).
Cleaves is seriously rapid and Anawanyu (sp?) was excellent before he also limped off. Scrum went well, Jones does seem to have that sorted, but line out iffy and maul poor, so business as usual. Defence at 13 and wider was awful. Other than those mentioned, no other medals to hand out in a very scrappy performance.

The defensive system had issues.  Sale were getting overlaps at will which is why the defence out wide struggled.  A few too many handling errors made it difficult to string too much together. 

Overall Sale's back 3 had more pace than ours,  Cleaves is fast but that's not his biggest strength.  He's slippery, strong and hard to put down.

I thought Jurevicius showed up well.  Some decent carries and didn't let much through.  WEV busy.

Toughest day at the office?  Ross Chisholm. Missed 2 touch finders from penalties, threw a bad interception and took a nasty knock.  A day he'll want to forget although he might not have a choice in that.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Hope Ross Chis is ok obviously but he was awful. A timely reminder of how bad our squad was for so long.

Likewise Stafford really struggled and didn’t look up to it.

I’m guessing that CSW’s issue getting into the squad is fitness/mobility - he carried well and got a couple of good hits but lumbered around the field.

Plenty of other positives around the field for the future however as noted above - Cleaves looks superb.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Did anybody else wonder what happened with the time of the double yellow they got just before half time. They were both back on at the start of the second half. Hope Chis is ok and they were only taking precautions. We’ve got some exciting players coming through . Sale capitalised on three basic mistakes by us which was the difference as both sides ran the ball around making it an entertaining game. WEv looking good too.

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Yellows were both for side entry or offside after repeated offences I think.

Either way should have said above - the stand out of the match was the ref, with among the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

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Yellows were both for side entry or offside after repeated offences I think.

Either way should have said above - the stand out of the match was the ref, with among the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

Don't underestimate the linesman on the east side in the first half who was struggling badly without his guide dog.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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First yellow was for pulling a player back when he was chasing a chip over the top. The second was  the player hadn't retreated 10 at a quick pen and tackled Anyanwu just short of the try line.

Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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I am pleased that I didn't specifically buy a ticket for the game. I think I would have been grumpy had I physically paid out money to go.
I know that there is a fine balance between being competitive and actually giving some of our young guns a bit of a run out.
But, Steele should have come on sooner. Stafford was really struggling.
Also, the pack that finished the game was pretty dominant.

The low points for me.
1. The Chis pass at the end of the 1st half.
2. The obvious knock-on that the ref missed and then compensated by just awarding us a penalty for no apparent reason.
3. The injuries to David and Chis
4. The attempted drop kick conversion that would have taken the score to within 3 points with a few minutes to go. I know that we didn't have a fly-half - but, they could have at least tried to kick it between the sticks.

I thought that CSW did okay. He doesn't seem to have much pace though.
Cleaves looked electric.
I was pleased to see that Evans did 70 minutes and still had energy to jog off when he was subbed.

But, we we now have a problem at full-back for Sunday.
David and Chis are almost certainly unavailable.
I guess that Louis will slot in there.



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Oscar Beard deserves much credit. He had a decent game anyway, first in the centre and then on the wing when David went off. For the last 15 minutes he slotted pretty seamlessly into fly half and was fizzing out some lovely passes. He actually looked pretty comfortable I thought. What a talent he is.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Don't underestimate the linesman on the east side in the first half who was struggling badly without his guide dog.

Apologies, you're quite right. He was outstanding.

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Very exciting to have that kind of talent coming through.

It looks to me as if Quins had a "who can we keep and still stay under the cap" between Tiz and Hammond, and decided that Hammond was the better long term prospect. He's not as experienced, obviously, but everything I have seen of him suggests he could be just as good if not better. He seems to be similarly good in the setpiece but with more heft carrying and anyone that size who can put in a kick like he did last week is likely to be welcome in the Quins squad.

Beard just looks better and better and his versatility is a huge asset that will no doubt see him get a lot of game time even if it's initially as bench cover.
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Have just watched the first half back on the full match replay. I'm not recognising most of the negatives that have been bandied around on here (aside from the defence - which was, as you might expect with a bit of a rag-tag group, a bit "every man for himself"). Maybe the second half, when I watch it later, will explain some of the downers people came away with but it would have to be a dreadful second half to cancel out some pretty golden positives I've seen so far...

Okay, so firstly, not at all worried that Gray and Chisholm were the two standout not-good-enoughs. They just won't play in games that matter unless we have an absolutely dire injury outbreak. Considering they were playing, I felt almost everyone around them really held their hands up. I'll work my way through the rest of the team...

Els and Litterick - dominance in the scrum, lovely to see. Seems we're building some really nice depth in the props now and Bomb's coaching seems to be blessing us with a handful of props who can all do the bread and butter that the Quins packs of the past so often neglected. Litterick has come out of nowhere, who is he? I like the look of him. Els' best half of rugby I've seen - scrummaged well and absolutely chucked himself around in the loose and made some good tackles.

Hammond - maturing as quickly as Tizard did, Tiz was just let loose first. Had my doubts about Hammond but he's proving me wrong game after game and I'm loving it. Seems to have the all round game, great to see.

CSW - looks like he could be worth the wait. Or should I say worth his weight - he's big isn't he! Made some very powerful carries, got through the contact and offloaded a couple of times giving us that go-forward. Really liked the look of what he can bring to our attack in terms of grunt work. Worked hard in defence too. I'm expecting some of the criticism will become clear to me when I watch the second half but I'd expect his fitness to need work. He didn't look "slow" at all in the first half - he had a really good hit out.

Jurevicius - I'll keep this short and sweet. He's now pushing Lawday and Chis for the 6 shirt. What a quality young player he already is.

WEv - quality, looks completely unaffected by his injury. It's like he hasn't been away at all. Starts on the weekend if he feels up to it, because by that showing he's up to speed.

Taulani - probably the highlight for me. FINALLY he's using his physique, picking lines, CRASHING through weak shoulders. Controlled well at the base of the scrum too this time. Worked hard in defence. Didn't do anything stupid. I think we all knew he had promise but this half of rugby was what I was worried I might never see. Now I've seen it, I'm a very happy boy. Guy's a monster. When Dommers is back, Taulani needs to be given the 20 shirt whenever fit - off the bench in the last 20/30, playing like that, he'll do damage. And when Dommers is away, I now trust him to look after the 8 shirt.

Stafford - haven't seen the mare yet (aside from the intercept pass he threw in their 22). Had a very solid first half - moved us around really well. Box kicking a bit hit and miss. I think the issue I have with him is he doesn't fill me with excitement. I'm not sitting there wondering what he might do next to inject some pace, but he definitely didn't slow us down. Gjaltema is ahead of him for me though.

Chisholm - he's not a 10 and he's not good enough to play in Prem or Champions Cup unless the injuries start really stacking up. Nick David looked like he'll be okay. Did Oscar Beard fill in at 15 when David went off? Looked like it. Maybe we've been looking at him at 15 in training. If so, the plan might be to see if he and Louis can fill in at 15 if David does need to jump though more return-to-play hoops than his injury appeared to suggest.

Cleaves - have been waiting for him to be given the chance and had no doubt this is what he would do. He's got that magic. I can really see him pushing his way into the starting team now, especially if Louis needs to spend a bit of time at 15. If not, I suspect we'll see him in the 23 shirt quite a bit now for the rest of the season. The sky's the limit it seems.

Anyanwu - another highlight, another unsurprising classy display from a youngster who seems ready to fulfil his potential. Looks like he provides what we need from our centres: hard lines, stays on his feet, offloads out of the tackle, gets us going forward. Puts his considerable weight into tackles and it really feels like he's got an old head on his shoulders already. He's got more of a challenge getting onto the team sheet for Prem and Champs Cup, but feels like he's only an injury to a front-line centre away from being in the mix. I will debate anyone who wants to argue that we don't have the best stable of centres in the league.

Bradley - reinforces my point. Came on, ripped into it. Was just an absolute handful when he got his hands on the ball and read things beautifully in defence a couple of times. Was my first proper look at him, but I like what I see so far - really promising.

Beard, Hyde, David all put in good displays in that first half. Shame David had to come off but he backed up that he is Green's direct competitor for the 15 shirt. Took his high balls, ran well, made his tackles. I like how tough he is - punches well above his weight - and can't wait to see him get a run of games while Green is out. Beard impresses me more each time he plays. I'm just not sure where he fits in the team yet - feels like he could easily become a jack-of-all-trades utility back, but I actually don't mind that the way he just seems to muck in and do his bit wherever you put the guy. Hyde looked strong and I think it's interesting we've played him on the wing a couple of times on the trot. Feels like we haven't had a bigger winger for a while and he might give us a bit of that. He looks promising too.

I realise this is just the first half and my sense is it maybe became a bit stop-start in the second half (which I will watch later) but I genuinely came away from that 40 mins of rugby beaming. The squad is brimming full of talent outside of the current 30-odd players we're used to seeing - I'm even more hopeful than I was about the coming years...
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Re: QUINS v SALE 19:45
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Frustrating end to the game. 2 mins 44 or so on the clock, penalty to Quins on the Sale 5m line. After deliberation we go for a scrum, while 10 points down with no obvious kicker on the pitch.  Admittedly we do get a try from it, but at the cost of time, and with no conversion, looks like a mistake.  However, with seconds to go we attack again and it's looking promising.  Sadly, we lose the ball forward on their 5m line, which the replay reveals was a rip by the Sale 7, ending the match.  So close...