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Come on. I haven't got a replay but we were what, 40-3 or 40-8 up with 15 or 20 left? Best case we've conceded 25 in 20.

I know, I was watching the game. It's nothing like last week, be serious. A team simply not showing up in that fashion is inexcusably dreadful, an absolute embarrassment. A team previously running riot conceding a hatful of points in a short space of time just doesn't compare. It is extremely difficult to wrest back momentum when you're down to 13 men and their fresh subs are having a huge impact.

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28 points in 17 minutes.
that is absolutely unforgivable. Against any opposition, let alone one we've put to the sword for an hour.
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Don't be silly. A team miles ahead getting caught cold with a pair of yellows and some real impact from the opposition bench when the starters had been completely demoralised, is nowhere near as bad as rocking up to a glamour game against bitter rivals and looking like you don't want to be there from the first minute.

Austin can bleat all he likes about luck but Reid alone was extraordinarily lucky to get away with the various penalties on quins attacks, let alone the insane lineout move to an extremely offside Lawrence (and a pair of 50/22s with friendly bounces!)

Obviously I'm not thrilled by what happened, but Bath have a lot of good players and when you take your foot off the gas it can be hard to get back on it.
so surely then the answer is... Don't take your foot off the gas!

Another 10 minutes and we lose that game, no doubt.

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Great to get a win, but the implosion was shocking. Obviously not as bad as last week, but  poor decisions and mental strength once again.
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Agreed. Really pleased we won but the final score almost seems like a loss. 33-3 up at half time... that second half was disastrous.
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so surely then the answer is... Don't take your foot off the gas!

Another 10 minutes and we lose that game, no doubt.

Another 60 and we win, I reckon.

Obviously you shouldn't take your foot off the gas but it can and does happen. I don't think we stopped playing - Bath earned a couple of tries, but more importantly Herbst with his dumb yellow and Lynagh with his even more dumb yellow put us in an absolute hole against a team with nothing to lose and with some subs playing out of their skins. Two very daft pieces of ill discipline, a couple of poor kicks, two 50/22s, a few rough decisions, and all of a sudden it's a completely different story. When the opposition has players like Lawrence who were previously locked up tight but with space to work in thanks to the cards, and a guy like Russell who is probably the best in the world at exploiting defences, what did you expect to happen?

The moral of the story is don't give Finn Russell momentum and space to play with, I reckon.
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I'm really pleased we won, especially after sitting in spurs stadium last week.

Sorry but I can't believe this point of view. We absolutely stopped playing, the scores of both halves explain that.
33-3 at half time.
Lost the second half 7-33.

I dont understand how that is seen as anything other than a disastrous half where we completely gave up and collapsed.
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OK.

I think you're the only one who thinks there are mitigating circumstances to nearly throwing away a 35 point lead in the last 20 minutes of the game, and looking like conceding a try every time the opposition got the ball, but a win's a win.

Just hope we don't finish a point behind bath in the table.
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I'm really pleased we won, especially after sitting in spurs stadium last week.

Sorry but I can't believe this point of view. We absolutely stopped playing, the scores of both halves explain that.
33-3 at half time.
Lost the second half 7-33.

I dont understand how that is seen as anything other than a disastrous half where we completely gave up and collapsed.


Agreed. Still I guess we didn’t give up for the whole game, but let’s be frank we’ve had 80 points plus put on us in two games. You won’t win consistently with that approach

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Sorry don't know why it shows me as reacting to Rodney's post as dumb when he's right.
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OK.

I think you're the only one who thinks there are mitigating circumstances to nearly throwing away a 35 point lead in the last 20 minutes of the game, and looking like conceding a try every time the opposition got the ball, but a win's a win.

Just hope we don't finish a point behind bath in the table.

To be fair, we ended that game putting pressure on Bath and having repeat possessions in their 22, but generally yeah, we looked like conceding all the time for much of the final quarter of the game, because the best fly half in world rugby allied to Ollie Lawrence and Alfie Barbeary turns out to be an extremely potent threat when you have 13 people on the pitch and have made a bunch of changes reacting to a different picture.

Quins were responsible for being down to 13 in the first place so it's not like I'm saying that it happened by accident or anything, just that in the context of a match it's a huge difference from rocking up to the spurs stadium and playing like you don't give a toss from the first minute, with absolutely no justification for it. No huge lead causing complacency, no sudden disadvantage due to cards, no being caught on the hop by a combination of events. Just turning up and playing against a top side like we didn't want to be there, from the first minute.

THAT was what unacceptable looks like.

So no, I don't think this was anything like that. I think it downplays just how bad last week was. This was what happens when you think you've won the game already and then a bunch of stuff happens very quickly to put you in an extremely dangerous situation with very limited ways of changing what's happening.

If nothing else, I hope it drives home the point about how stupid yellow cards can cost a team, and how compound errors can throw away an hour's work.
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We did stop playing. The yellow cards were as a result of the pressure we put ourselves under by aimlessly kicking the ball away as soon we got it. When we held onto the ball and ran at them we looked much the better side.
We just seemed to lose any game management and leadership. Bath improved a bit but basically if you give any side acres of space to run into in the last quarter of a game they will score tries.
Of course it has happened before. I have been a season ticket holder long enough to know that a 20 point lead with 20 minutes to go is never a guaranteed win at the stoop. But this afternoon was one of the worst collapses I have seen.
I just wonder where the coaches are.
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The Telegraph:

'The South African lock was sent to the sin-bin after 63 minutes and 52 seconds of what turned into one of the matches of the season.

Herbst should have been off the field for 10 minutes, but television pictures showed him returning to the action after 70 minutes and 51 seconds - a full three minutes early.

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(JVG) said: “I flagged with the referee after the game but there is not a lot he can do on the pitch, he wasn’t even aware of it. We made the fourth official aware, it was a massive call in the context of the game with the player that came back on making the tackle in the corner. With a yellow card you are supposed to be off for 10 minutes not seven. It is going to go to Paul Hull and I will let the process follow its course.”


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Re: TEAM v Bath Saturday 30th March.....#COYQ
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We beat Bath and were dominating for 55 mins or so. Of course it becomes difficult when you go down to 13…

Give them a break…they got 5 points today!
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