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His scrummaging in Argentina was some of the best I have seen in the international arena, if your metric is delivering a stable platform rather than trying to milk the scrum for penalties. I fear his style may be out of line with where Eddie's coaching philosophy is going - but we saw against South Africa in the RWC Final that having a solid scrum is critical.

I'd like to see him cement a position as Quins' first choice tighthead, and that will give him a platform to get noticed.
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Agreed.

His biggest problem is that he doesn’t do enough outside of the scrum to outshine other players. I rate Collier, but if PG thought he was genuine first choice material, we probably wouldn’t have signed Louw.
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Quote from: Quinston Churchill on Monday 15-Jun-2020, 13:00*
Agreed.

His biggest problem is that he doesn’t do enough outside of the scrum to outshine other players. I rate Collier, but if PG thought he was genuine first choice material, we probably wouldn’t have signed Louw.

Not sure about that last bit. Given injuries and call ups it's sensible these days to have at least two top class players in each of the front row positions. We've run with two capped England internationals for the last 3 years, Louw just replaces one international with another. Collier has struggled a bit with injury and Sinckler's meteoric (and deserved) rise, but I'd hope that with an extended break to get fit Collier will go into the season fighting for the 3 shirt rather than the 18 one.
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I actually think his biggest problem is he doesn't do enough IN the scrum to outshine other players. You could make a strong case for him if he was demolishing all-comers, but he hasn't been.
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In training, he has been working with the best scrummaging loose head on the planet as well as being coached by a 100+ cap international. If he's not going to be able to find his best form with that setup, when will he? And I'm a former tight head who had to figure out how to improve on my own.

He has the ability, just needs the belief.
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It’s no longer a tighthead’s job to “demolish all comers” in the scrum. Since they removed the hit, the tighthead is much more of an anchoring role - the job is to resist whatever is thrown at you [1].

[1] Unless you are in a team coached by Warren Gatland, in which case your job is to milk as many scrum penalties as you can.
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Sure. But given he doesn't offer much outside the scrum, then not being able to dominate scrums is a problem.
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Quote from: Banstead Quin on Monday 15-Jun-2020, 14:53*
In training, he has been working with the best scrummaging loose head on the planet as well as being coached by a 100+ cap international. If he's not going to be able to find his best form with that setup, when will he? And I'm a former tight head who had to figure out how to improve on my own.

He has the ability, just needs the belief.

That’s possible I guess.

I still think of him as a ‘young’ player who’s still developing but he’s 29 now and should really be making a more obvious case to be first choice. I might be presently surprised, but I expect Louw to start with Collier as an able deputy.

Even then, IMO Kerrod arguably added a bit more as a bench option once he settled in and I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see him in the 18 shirt.
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Quote from: poorfour on Monday 15-Jun-2020, 21:05*
It’s no longer a tighthead’s job to “demolish all comers” in the scrum. Since they removed the hit, the tighthead is much more of an anchoring role - the job is to resist whatever is thrown at you [1].

[1] Unless you are in a team coached by Warren Gatland, in which case your job is to milk as many scrum penalties as you can.

Harsh to blame Gatland. That seems to be the aim these days, which is why scrums are becoming a painful waste of time.
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Quote from: Brown Bottle on Monday 15-Jun-2020, 22:44*
Harsh to blame Gatland. That seems to be the aim these days, which is why scrums are becoming a painful waste of time.

It was a cheap jab. But one of the things that annoys me about Gatland, aside from his tendency to put unfit players on the pitch in Lions Test matches and hope they play themselves into form, is that he more than any ther coach I’ve seen seems to specifically select and coach his scrums to play for penalties. He did it with Wasps, with Wales and with the Lions. He actually does it very well, but as a bit of a rugby purist I like to see the scrum as a proper contest and I value those coaches and players whose aim is to out scrummage their opponent rather than con the ref.
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I think Louw will be 1st choice with Collier his deputy. WC still has time to develop I don’t see him featuring for England unless there are a series of injuries, however he can still be a great club player. Sinks was great but what he does well is not TH work, he’s ok in the scrum but it’s his running lines and soft hands hat get him the plaudits. If we can be stronger in the scrum I don’t think we’ll miss him too much.

Still hoping for a BR and lock signing.
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Ive said before, I want my Hooker to be able to hook and throw, my props to be able to push and my locks to have some grunt and be able to catch.  Anything after that is a bonus.  I like the way or pack is shaping up. If we get the 2 props from Ealing we would have signed 3 props who all have a reputation for scrummaging well. We have a new LO coach which gives hope. We have the backs to tear anyone apart, if we can start to dominate up front we will be a very handy side
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Agreed. While I’m sad to see Sinckler leaving, I think the signings we’ve made and the players we’re linked with suggest that we’re trying to create a more set-piece focused pack. That works for me.
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Quote from: poorfour on Monday 15-Jun-2020, 11:23*
His scrummaging in Argentina was some of the best I have seen in the international arena, .......

His first scrum on the international stage was epic. Argie attacking scrum, Will straight on at TH and the scrum did'nt budge even with the Argies with the ball at the back, trying for a second drive or a scrum penalty. Probably only lasted 30sec but seemed like an age that Will held firm before the Argies realized they weren't getting anything and let the ball out of the back
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