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Rugby => ComeAllWithin Board => Topic started by: Fearless Fred on Thursday 04-Apr-2024, 12:03*
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Most of the interpretations and clarifications of the laws - which are by definition far more complex than the basic laws - don't appear to be online. I figured Wayne Barnes talking about it would be proof enough.
https://www.rugbyworld.com/takingpart/rugby-basics/rugby-laws-on-grounding-the-ball-to-score-a-try-explained-157063
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You want clarification on whether you are allowed to drop the ball?
No, obviously not. I want to know where holding the ball morphed into having at least a fingertip touching it until it hits the ground. There must have been something.
I've seen an earlier clip from 5 or 6 years ago with WB and Ben Kay; Kay says he would like the law to be like that. Well at some point since, his wish was granted.
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You want clarification on whether you are allowed to drop the ball?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-g-onvK03g
That's just a WB explanation. There must be a clarification or something which mentions this gap between the laws and how refs are judging it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-g-onvK03g
It doesn't need to be in the laws. It's just a way of explaining what constitutes a knock on, which is essentially common sense.
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The lineout is an interesting one. Riley lost first lineout on pitch. The issue is less about the throwing and more the jumpers, movement and athleticism.
Quins have typically always had one big lock (non jumper - front man) so the oppo know they don’t need to worry. On Friday we only had Hammond and Lewies as the major options - Dommers is rarely used as well. Evans is a non jumper and thus another issue!
Thus easy to defend/attack. When Lamb, Kenningham and Chisholm play our lineout is so much better. I think CCS we old be a good lineout option.
If we had 4 or even 3 good middle/back jumpers we would be much better at lineout.
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Yes, I can't argue with that or what JG said. I reacted at the time to watching, in slow motion, someone quite clearly dropping the ball.
Incidentally, where is this separation business defined? I can't find it in the laws or clarifications.
It does say the player should be holding the ball, in the laws. In which case I wouldn't suggest asking Cadan to hold a pint of beer, let alone a newborn child.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-g-onvK03g
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You can't disagree with this. It's not an opinion. It's fact.
For what it's worth I think there was probably separation, and no doubt cadan should neve have given the officials an option, but from the replays they saw it should have stood.
Yes, I can't argue with that or what JG said. I reacted at the time to watching, in slow motion, someone quite clearly dropping the ball.
Incidentally, where is this separation business defined? I can't find it in the laws or clarifications.
It does say the player should be holding the ball, in the laws. In which case I wouldn't suggest asking Cadan to hold a pint of beer, let alone a newborn child.
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Wilson is also English, so the pro-scottish, anti-english "banter" is particularly lame. Thoroughly unpleasant guy by all accounts
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Wilson's Glasgow bias was obviously there to counteract the general Quins love in you normally feel when you have Monye with his Quins pom poms on the touchline. It must be hard when you're not used to it.
It's not the Glasgow bias that was the problem, really. You expect and accept that from players and ex players, it's par for the course. It's the constant needle and the vibe that he's the guy who thinks he has the funniest banter on the planet while coming across as the bloke that makes women instinctively cover their drinks when he enters the room.
He was notorious as a player for a reason and it's not hard to see why when this is what he's like when he isn't playing.
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I agree we have a better chance against Bordeaux. But can imagine the Quins Finance Manager crossing everything for another home fixture.
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Walker and green were poor. Lynagh sifting defence too. Lewies adds nothing really.
Smith excellent.
Ref was interesting. Both teams could have felt hard done by at times. We bombed 3 try scoring chances before our first try. And looked knackered from about 50-70.
No way Hammond should lose out to Lewies. Riley in for walker is a no brainer.
Still, we won, which is all that matters. Can't make the 1/4 final, but hope it's away to Bordeaux. Think we have a better chance against them.
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Felt the need to register but not to comment. Of course...
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Nice of Ryan himself to pop by.
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Registered in 2018 - no comments until today. I think we know this one...
Never felt the need to before now. Hopefully not feel the urge to come back again, the self entitlement is a bit nauseous.
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Wilson's Glasgow bias was obviously there to counteract the general Quins love in you normally feel when you have Monye with his Quins pom poms on the touchline. It must be hard when you're not used to it.
Registered in 2018 - no comments until today. I think we know this one...
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Wilson's Glasgow bias was obviously there to counteract the general Quins love in you normally feel when you have Monye with his Quins pom poms on the touchline. It must be hard when you're not used to it.
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All that counts at the end of the day is a first knockout win in the top tier competition. It was a distinctly Quinsy performance last night. Moments of excellence outnumbering the moments of cluelessness this week. Overall I think their performance was deserved.
What was pleasing after last week was the way we executed so many solid defensive sets, some of which when down to 14 and the pressure was on. Smith was excellent, Andre too and Wev everywhere as usual. Riley has to start ahead of Wacker for me from now on. The dodgy darts contributed to leaving a few points out there.
If we’re going to get thumped in the quarters I’d far rather it be by Bordeaux so good luck to them this afternoon.
Glad I wasn’t subjected to Ryan Wilson on the TV. Wasn’t he the ‘card’ that started on George Ford in the tunnel in a Calcutta Cup game a few years back?
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Yes. It doesn't count as losing control unless there is separation with no hand on the ball before it hits the ground
You can't disagree with this. It's not an opinion. It's fact.
For what it's worth I think there was probably separation, and no doubt cadan should neve have given the officials an option, but from the replays they saw it should have stood.
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Walker showed why a few on here don't rate him - lineout throws going astray just when we are on top 😕 I was calling for Riley to come on much earlier
he was unmitigatingly dreadful.
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Hammond is the better player, but he’s always going to lose out to Stephan in a straight shoot out probably just by his position as club captain. I’d drop Steohan altogether but can’t see it happening
are you sure? I think if it's a shoot-out at lock then Hammond gets the nod. He's good for 15 tackles a game, the guy I'd a machine. At the moment it looks to me like Stephan is filling gaps.
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Few tweaks I think, firstly Riley to start. Second, I think Lewies should replace Hammond at 5, with Hammond benched. Unlikely CCS will be fit, but I think Trenholm could be a good bolter to start, or James if he’s fit.
Can we pleas agree that Riley must start. I mean it's not even maybe.
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Just back to our hotel after the match, and thought it was an excellent game. Two teams playing pretty well and could have gone either way at the end. Ref didn’t have his best day but felt his decisions evened out. Main grumble would be Quins’ inconsistent lineout, but just happy to get a first ever knockout win!
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Was he the twonk interviewed pitch side with Ugo?
Yeah. Made a real nasty rep for himself as a player and it doesn't take long to realise why.
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Well, that's a first ever Champions cup knockout win. Savour it, because it could be a while before the next one, or it could be next week.
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What a boring show off Wilson was. Not seen him as a commentator before - and hopefully won’t again.
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Was he the twonk interviewed pitch side with Ugo?
Replace the onk with at and that’s him
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Ryan Wilson seems like the kind of guy who'd really ruin a night out. Obnoxious bloke. I'll take Ugo's long term torture of the English language any day, thanks TNT
Was he the twonk interviewed pitch side with Ugo?
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Walker showed why a few on here don't rate him - lineout throws going astray just when we are on top 😕 I was calling for Riley to come on much earlier
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Are we the only league that plays their captain just because he is captain even though he might might not be the best option
Quite often the only country too.
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Are we the only league that plays their captain just because he is captain even though he might might not be the best option
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Unless Dino is expected back anytime soon, then its Launchbury with either Hammond or Lewies.
Don't think its been mentioned so far, but I thought our maul defence improved markedly once Launchbury came on. On the whole, we did a pretty good job of spoiling their driving maul game given its such a weapon (commentators were saying Glasgow have the most driving maul tries of any team this season across the Prem, URC or Top14).
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So drop Herbst instead?
He’s not really a 5. I’d prefer Launchbury over him at 4, but both have looked undercooked in general so not much in it.
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Hammond is the better player, but he’s always going to lose out to Stephan in a straight shoot out probably just by his position as club captain. I’d drop Steohan altogether but can’t see it happening
So drop Herbst instead?
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Hammond takes a lot of ball and makes a huge number of tackles. I don't see how this isn't making the lineout even worse.
Herbst starting is always a concern so that's my biggest problem. Good to see Lawday back, that really helps.
Hammond is the better player, but he’s always going to lose out to Stephan in a straight shoot out probably just by his position as club captain. I’d drop Steohan altogether but can’t see it happening
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Ryan Wilson seems like the kind of guy who'd really ruin a night out. Obnoxious bloke. I'll take Ugo's long term torture of the English language any day, thanks TNT
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Lewies replacing Hammond at 5 moving from the back row, with Hammond benched.
Hammond takes a lot of ball and makes a huge number of tackles. I don't see how this isn't making the lineout even worse.
Herbst starting is always a concern so that's my biggest problem. Good to see Lawday back, that really helps.
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Lewies replacing Hammond at 5 moving from the back row, with Hammond benched.
For me, Lewies plays lock or not at all. Not quick enough to the breakdown at thr top level and I'd rather see Lawday or Trenholm at blindside (or CCS or Chis if fit).
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Lewies replacing Hammond at 5 moving from the back row, with Hammond benched.
You know what I meant. What about Herbst and Launchbury?
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Great to snatch the win. Whether its Sarries or Bordeaux, we're underdogs in the quarter final. Difficult to see us playing in patches and getting a result against opposition of that quality.
Lineout was shocking today, even more so when you consider we had three locks on the pitch and our two primary jumpers in Hammond and Lewies. We really miss Kenningham as a jumper.
On the plus side, defence was determined today.
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If the apocalypse happens tonight by the way, Quins win the Champions Cup by default.
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Which lock do you drop to accommodate this, or are you proposing two on the bench?
Lewies replacing Hammond at 5 moving from the back row, with Hammond benched.
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Few tweaks I think, firstly Riley to start. Second, I think Lewies should replace Hammond at 5, with Hammond benched.
Which lock do you drop to accommodate this, or are you proposing two on the bench?
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Few tweaks I think, firstly Riley to start. Second, I think Lewies should replace Hammond at 5, with Hammond benched. Unlikely CCS will be fit, but I think Trenholm could be a good bolter to start, or James if he’s fit.
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But he didn’t and Green and lynagh were in lots of space and he should have used them
No space to make a cross kick and far too much distance to make the pass. There's a reason why he was furious at Green for his positioning!
(Also "nails the kick" was commentary on the conversion, apologies for the confusion)
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But he didn’t and Green and lynagh were in lots of space and he should have used them
But he didn't. He tried something else with a free play and we scored from the lineout maul instead.
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Eh? There was literally nothing else on because Green and Lynagh were so far away, and we had advantage
Marcus nails the kick, four point lead
But he didn’t and Green and lynagh were in lots of space and he should have used them
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Wow. Great defence again and Glasgow lose their nerve first and go for a big gamble with time up, ball goes out, Quins win a nailbiter!
For all the talk of Quins collapsing, this was a win based on defensive nerve in the second half. Three huge defensive sets when Glasgow had tons of momentum won us that game. No crumbling by quins this time.
Would've been easier without the mistakes but gosh, I'll take any kind of win. Well done boys!
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Good game that. Congrats all
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A Botica-esque way to lose the match there Glasgow.
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All or nothing kick. And nothing.
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Not for the first time in his career, Launchbury fluffs the kick off...
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Believe in the MQ wisdom talking Riley up over Walker.
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But greedy and glory hunting by smith there
Eh? There was literally nothing else on because Green and Lynagh were so far away, and we had advantage
Marcus nails the kick, four point lead
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GO ON RILEY
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Phew. An excellent scrum. Two excellent lineouts, two excellent drives, Glasgow unable to cope with either, and, Riley scores. Quins take the lead...
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But greedy and glory hunting by smith there
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Come on Riley…
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Great kick down field by Marcus finds grass and forces a knock on. Come on...
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COME ON YOU QUINS
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Excellent defensive set again. We have a lot of good ball stealers on the field now.
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Ugh. Lewies off so we have no chance at the lineout, then a very good kick and chase leads to a penalty, then we give away a penalty at the lineout...
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Just need to ride the yellow out and hope we can create something in the last 10 which we’ve struggled all 2nd half so far
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Fair play, that is superb defence a man down over twenty phases
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So many missed tackles and dog legs for them to gain metres
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Oh come on. Launchbury dips into contact and gets hit high, play on. Darge does the same dropping even further and tmo gives the penalty!
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Danny dreams about making head contact with an upright tackle.
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Not a quins game without folding in the second half and a yellow card.
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These lineout losses are dreadful. Some are walker's fault. That one and a few others have just been a straight contest between jumpers.
Silly high tackle by Marler after a period of quins pressure. This could be yellow. Think we were lucky that neither of Care's upright tackles hit the head.
Yep, yellow. Think we will lose this from here. Real shame.
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Glad Green thinks that error is worth a smile! He’s been poor this season.
Disagree. He's been poor tonight, though.
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Glad Green thinks that error is worth a smile! He’s been poor this season.
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Green with another big error. Some really poor mistakes in this half. Frustrating because the commitment and intent are both up to scratch but individual errors are killing us
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What, all the way down? He lost control of it well before it hit the floor.
Yes. It doesn't count as losing control unless there is separation with no hand on the ball before it hits the ground
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I'm not sure the ball being in contact with your hand even though you have no control over it counts. But I'll watch it again. Probably. 😁
That is exactly what counts. No control required for a try, only skin/shirt contact with finger, hand, arm, torso and ground.
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In the act of scoring it does.
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What, all the way down? He lost control of it well before it hit the floor.
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Quins doing Quins things, again.
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This team is a shambles. We’ve played about 2 good halves of rugby so far out of 5 from our last few games. Soon to be 2 from 6 if we keep this up.
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I'm not sure the ball being in contact with your hand even though you have no control over it counts. But I'll watch it again. Probably. 😁
In the act of scoring it does.
Danny somehow passes to the floor in front of him to hand Glasgow good attacking ball, and Glasgow score again. You can't feed this team, lads. Stop making so many dumb mistakes.
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Glasgow score five seconds after the ref tells the scrum half to use it and he ignores it. Very funny. Good try though and quins keep shooting themselves in the foot.
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Much better start to the second by Glasglow
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I'm not sure the ball being in contact with your hand even though you have no control over it counts. But I'll watch it again. Probably. 😁
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Oh yeah, Lewies is playing.
Our Saffas haven't played badly but by golly they've made some errors in critical positions
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Oof, that was bad by Esterhuizen. Good pace from Murley to stop them scoring at least
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I'm assuming the people querying Murley's try are at the game. On TV it's pretty clear. He dropped it. He hand one or other hand near it all the way but we'd have been furious if that had been given against us.
I'm at home watching it and at no point did it look like a hand wasn't on it. Commentators said much the same tbh
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I'm assuming the people querying Murley's try are at the game. On TV it's pretty clear. He dropped it. He hand one or other hand near it all the way but we'd have been furious if that had been given against us.
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Yeah, could see how another ref would have given us a penalty try for the sacked maul and there was never separation for Murley (though how it was reffed is how I think it should be!), but we had some pretty impactful decisions go our way as well. French refs always add a layer of chaos.
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Need to up the intensity to prevent a Bath style comebback. Glasgow aare a good side. Ref very French but consistant, they will throw everything at us now, we should take every kickable pen, and look for drops, no bonus points, this in K.O. rugby. Calm, intense defence, take every point.
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Good first half. Scoreline reflects the general play.
Ref is very slow to award jackals.
I thought the decision to disallow the Murley try was harsh but probably balanced out by the Fagerson knock-on which wasn't and the Steyn late tackle call which was borderline.
Collier doing a job on their loosehead.
Marcus doing his thing.
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Marcus MOTM already. Worth his weight in gold.
Collier a rock in the scrum. launchbury and Riley on around 55m
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Gosh that's some good hands in difficult conditions by Smith
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How did they miss Green getting taken out there??
Eventually given.
Shame the pass was so poor by Lynagh
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Line out is hit and miss tonight
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Bring on Riley!!
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I can understand why they want him at 13 as a future option, but he just isn't anywhere near yet for me.
Quins lose another lineout... Probably justice for a fairly dodgy call against Glasgow
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Tuipolotu yellowed after Glasgow push their luck once too often.
Oscar Beard really is doing nothing to convince me he should ever be ahead of Joseph and Northmore. Offering little in attack and missing tackles in defence.
Marcus does it all himself after the 9 broke off early to cover him and came too far
Marcus pulling the strings thankfully.
As for Beard, I don’t think he’s ever looked a solid choice at 13. Wing he seems more comfortable. I think he needs to revert back to the wing and stay there as otherwise he is in danger of neither being excellent at either position
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Tuipolotu yellowed after Glasgow push their luck once too often.
Oscar Beard really is doing nothing to convince me he should ever be ahead of Joseph and Northmore. Offering little in attack and missing tackles in defence.
Marcus does it all himself after the 9 broke off early to cover him and came too far
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If we could put a clamp on Collier’s car at the end of the season so he can’t go anywhere might be a good shout.
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Baffling call to claim Fagerson knocked on there. Hope we can make the most of the scrum.
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Are you watching on a different timeline
Na I thought he was going for posts but edited it, anyway back to Herbst being crap
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Are you watching on a different timeline
Na I thought he was going for posts but edited it, anyway back to Herbst being crap
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Some, uh, interesting calls in traditional style by a French ref. Particularly enjoyed the guy lying flat on the floor grabbing the ball twice
He’s memorised the law book just before kick off, seems determined to use them all tonight. Let’s hope he’s consistent.
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And now Irne coughs the ball up and puts Glasgow ahead by 3 points as a result from the play.
This bloke is surely a parody of a player
Are you watching on a different timeline
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And now Irne coughs the ball up and puts Glasgow in our 22 as a result from the play.
This bloke is surely a parody of a player
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Some, uh, interesting calls in traditional style by a French ref. Particularly enjoyed the guy lying flat on the floor grabbing the ball twice
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Great worked Andre try. Always reassuring that some of the best performers of late (Andre/Collier) are the ones off..going to miss them massively
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Murley's try disallowed because of separation. But it looked like he'd reconnected before the ball hit the ground?
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Rubbish as usual from the Jesters
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Reckless and poor start. What the HELL was green thinking? We literally are not a very smart at all
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Currently v strong gusting wind in twickers (the weather not my gut). Could be interesting.
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Walker seems to be one of those players who coaches rate, but fans not so much. Maybe its because he's more of a nuts and bolts player with no flash stuff. Given the competition at hooker, getting into the World Cup squad was. no mean feat.
I've a lot of respect for Walker in that he's as brave as a lion, but for me Riley is the heir apparent. His handling and work in the loose is a level above and per MQ's comments, he doesn't look to be letting us down as set-piece time either. I did think at the start of the season, come the end, Riley would be first choice and reckon that'll be the case.
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Walker had a good season last time around. He must have had a very strange world cup experience where it was clear that he was 3rd choice, and Jamie George frequently played 80 minutes which kind of implies that the management didn't trust him. It's not a bit shock that he's taken his time to find his feet again.
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Jibulu has been given first team experience perforce because of injuries to the other hookers, but he is still a baby in front row terms and I suspect like Baxter the club will work on his physical maturity and injury prevention conditioning before letting him fully loose.
Walker is known in the club for offering a lot around the park in both carrying and leadership, which is probably why he is preferred as a starter over Riley. He's also had injuries this season and so may be struggling for consistency - but the club will need him for the run in so giving him gametime is important.
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I haven't really noticed our scrum being massively strengthened starting Walker over Riley. I certainly wouldn't say Riley starting weakens us set piece wise, and he has better darts and does more in the loose in my view. Jibulu is a beast and is the ideal sub hooker for late game surges
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Maybe. I think sam has a really good partnership with fin too tho.
It certainly looks like this is the moment that baxter takes over as first choice. I would love to see Riley do the same. Maybe the coaches think the two together is giving up too much experience.
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Maybe gives the scrum a bit more go forward?
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Convinced Walker must have some dirt on Billy to keep starting. He is third choice in my view, rarely having done much to justify keep starting, in front of Riley and Jibulu. Lets also hope Irne puts in the game of his life, as opposed to a few clumsy penalties.
Absolutely. Riley comes on and loops pinpoint throws with perfect timing to any man in the lineout, his throwing is just sublime. I don't get it with walker at all.
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We're gonna get mullered!
We should have enough to see that lot off.....
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nothing against Max Green but we could do with Porter back.....also haven't seen much from Anderson to warrant being in the squad again but presume the injuries leave us short......
Porter is a big miss. Expecting DC to put in 80min performances week after week at this stage of his career is a big ask and Green and Gjaltema just aren't of the required standard.
Let's hope no more injuries in the backs or we're going to be in real bother.
Pack options from the bench are decent. Glad to see Lawday back involved.
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He has started the last two games in that position.
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Slightly late to party, and i've only just noticed that 2nd Row Stefan Lewies starts at Flanker
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nothing against Max Green but we could do with Porter back.....also haven't seen much from Anderson to warrant being in the squad again but presume the injuries leave us short......
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Convinced Walker must have some dirt on Billy to keep starting. He is third choice in my view, rarely having done much to justify keep starting, in front of Riley and Jibulu. Lets also hope Irne puts in the game of his life, as opposed to a few clumsy penalties.
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The injuries are taking ages to clear up 🙄
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We're gonna get mullered!
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Decent team. Suspect the bench split is largely influenced by the number of injured backs. Really need some back for the run in.
I was thinking that our injury list would make most of a half-decent starting XV if they were all fit...
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Decent team. Suspect the bench split is largely influenced by the number of injured backs. Really need some back for the run in.
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And the opposition:
1 Nathan McBeth (35)
2 Johnny Matthews (65)
3 Zander Fagerson (140)
4 Max Williamson (11)
5 Scott Cummings (117)
6 Matt Fagerson (103)
7 Rory Darge (41)
8 Jack Dempsey (42)
9 George Horne (110)
10 Tom Jordan (41)
11 Kyle Rowe (12)
12 Sione Tuipulotu (46)
13 Stafford McDowall (73)
14 Kyle Steyn (C) (69)
15 Josh McKay (42)
Replacements
16 Gregor Hiddleston (5)
17 Oli Kebble (98)
18 Lucio Sordoni (28)
19 Sintu Manjezi (20)
20 Ally Miller (27)
21 Henco Venter (13)
22 Jamie Dobie (59)
23 Duncan Weir (146)
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TEAM NEWS: QUINS SQUAD TO FACE GLASGOW (https://www.quins.co.uk/article/team-news-quins-squad-to-face-glasgow)
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Harlequins have named their matchday squad for Friday's Investec Champions Cup Round of 16 fixture against Glasgow Warriors at The Stoop (KO 20:00).
The starting XV features just two changes from the side that beat Bath 40-36 with Will Collier returning at tighthead prop and Irne Herbst starting at second-row.
In the engine room, Fin Baxter and Will Collier pack down alongside hooker Jack Walker. Irne Herbst and George Hammond form the second-row partnership, with Stephan Lewies and Will Evans on the flanks. Alex Dombrandt continues at number eight.
In the backs, Danny Care and Marcus Smith start in the halves, with Andre Esterhuizen and Oscar Beard in the centres. Cadan Murley and Louis Lynagh resume on the wings with Tyrone Green at fullback.
The Impact Players feature a 6-2 split, with replacement front-row Sam Riley, Joe Marler and Dillon Lewis joining the experienced Joe Launchbury, flanker Will Trenholm and the returning Tom Lawday. Elsewhere, Max Green covers scrum-half with Cameron Anderson adding versatility in the backs.
Director of Rugby Billy Millard commented: “We’re excited for Glasgow. Knockout rugby is always special and we’re looking forward to a good challenge on Friday night. The boys have worked hard to get to this stage and we’re determined to put in another good performance for our supporters.”
The winner of Friday's Round of 16 match will face either Bordeaux Begles or Saracens on the weekend of 12-14 April. Click here (https://www.quins.co.uk/article/potential-investec-champions-cup-quarter-final-plans) to read more information.
Starting XV:
1. Fin Baxter (44)
2. Jack Walker (57)
3. Will Collier (236)
4. Irne Herbst (40)
5. George Hammond (59)
6. Stephan Lewies (63 - Captain)
7. Will Evans (83)
8. Alex Dombrandt (132)
9. Danny Care (370)
10. Marcus Smith (153)
11. Cadan Murley (108)
12. Andre Esterhuizen (84)
13. Oscar Beard (48)
14. Louis Lynagh (60)
15. Tyrone Green (69)
Impact Players:
16. Sam Riley (47)
17. Joe Marler (278)
18. Dillon Lewis (14)
19. Joe Launchbury (19)
20. Will Trenholm (11)
21. Tom Lawday (79)
22. Max Green (8)
23. Cameron Anderson (7)
Not available for selection (injury): Jack Kenningham, Dino Lamb, Will Porter, Will Joseph, James Chisholm, Chandler Cunningham-South, Jarrod Evans, Nick David, Luke Northmore