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I have never seen a professional ref attempt to wind up an already yellow carded player as Carley did yesterday. He knew what he was doing approaching Danny and goading him into saying something else that would warrant a Red and let's face it Carley has previous with Quins. I think it was very unprofessional but not out of character with this thin skinned official.
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May have realised his howler over Wallace and decided that a different headline would have that bit downgraded in the reporting, Care record number of yellows was already known about so why not go one better.

Just looked at law 3 on the World Rugby site

3.16 When a front-row player leaves the playing area, whether through injury or temporary or permanent suspension, the referee enquires at that time whether the team can continue with contested scrums. If the referee is informed that the team will not be able to contest the scrum, then the referee orders uncontested scrums. If the player returns or another front-row player comes on, then contested scrums may resume.

3.17 In a squad of 23 players or at the discretion of the match organiser, a player whose departure has caused the referee to order uncontested scrums cannot be replaced.

No exceptions for head injuries being different to other injuries

3.27 covers HIA

Thought it was a bit odd at the time and if he's enforcing it surely there would be a note on the official laws that this is the case

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That looks like they should have been down to 14 then. If that is correct can they do anything about the result now. Or did the match organiser use his discretion.

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One of the commentators mentioned it but didn’t seem terribly bothered that it hadn’t happened. They might not have been entirely sure of themselves because neither of the others seemed to pick up on it. It’s pretty bad if that is the case as we’d have been playing against 14 for most of the match.

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Wayne Barnes did a good video to explain this and includes a grid on if a team should lose a player





If one of the injuries was a head injury, then no reduction to 14.

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I think slagging officials with personal slights is a little beneath well behaved adults.

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Calling him thin skinned doesn't appear to be a particularly personal slight.
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Calling him thin skinned doesn't appear to be a particularly personal slight.

The post was a bit longer than that.

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Carley is a whatsit though.
I said to my wife and mate  that he was crap and oh look I was right......

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I have never seen a professional ref attempt to wind up an already yellow carded player as Carley did yesterday. He knew what he was doing approaching Danny and goading him into saying something else that would warrant a Red and let's face it Carley has previous with Quins. I think it was very unprofessional but not out of character with this thin skinned official.

My recollection was that Care was aggrieved by the pen against Wallace and told Carley what he thought of him. Carley called Care over to give him a yellow.

As Care was refusing to come over, Carley gave him the choice of card colour. Care came across to me as somewhat petulant.

Whether Care agreed with the penalty call or not, he should (IMO) respect the ref.

Compare with Barnes and Hartley or Dickson and Sinckler. Both times the players received bans for not dissimilar offences to Care’s.
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Care was leaving the pitch due to receiving a yellow card. Carley insisted that Care return, to be told that he must leave the field because he'd been carded.

"Stop what you're doing because I want to tell you to do it". Seems a bit power crazed. I had teachers like that.
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I do find that Carley doesn’t have as good a relationship with the players as most of the other ref’s. Everything seems much more strained.
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Care was leaving the pitch due to receiving a yellow card. Carley insisted that Care return, to be told that he must leave the field because he'd been carded.

"Stop what you're doing because I want to tell you to do it". Seems a bit power crazed. I had teachers like that.

Care hadn’t had a yellow card.

And regardless of whether he thought Carley was power crazed or not, Care should respect the ref.

Substitute Care for Farrell. Still feel the player was in the right?
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I think you’ve got it spot on.

DCshould never have said what ever he did to the referee, and when called out for it should have apologised and accepted his yellow. It was not good from him!

The players all know how pedantic Carley is and should be able to cope with it.

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DC was stupid but how many times is Carley going to make obviously poor decisions and/or show a complete lack of feel for the game before he does the job he’s paid for effectively?  As the source of the problem, it would be nice to think something is being done about him but doesn’t appear so.
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