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My take is that Pat Lam doesn't know the rules and showed a petulant side with his "If he gets injured its on you" comment to the ref, while Steve Borthwick is boorish and shares with Stuart Hooper the belief that the scrum is the game to such a degree that he forgets to win the game.  Neither are great looks.
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Tom Youngs' comments to the ref at 8 minutes on aren't particularly edifying.

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What I liked was Tigers made the current top of the table look average, we took them apart up front and had we managed the last quarter better could well have won. Pat Lam has some serious work to do if he thinks that side can win the Premiership.
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Are Bristol the new Sarries ?

No, they haven't been cheating for six years!
 
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While I agree that Uren was illegal there, any decent official would have penalised Genge in that scrum. He got destroyed and ended up facing his own corner flag, with the Bristol back five driving straight and the tigers one running round. Should've been a Bristol penalty regardless of what Uren then did.

Borthwick's anguished braying was pretty funny, especially as he was demanding that Afoa not go back on even though he was clearly fit and that it was a tactical sub originally...

The whole thing was hugely funny especially when Afoa seemed to say "sod all this arguing I'll just go and stick Genge's head up his backside and we can all go home".


Re: Leicester vs Bristol
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The whole thing was hugely funny especially when Afoa seemed to say "sod all this arguing I'll just go and stick Genge's head up his backside and we can all go home".

He was so happy to go back on after sitting watching all the chat, it was hilarious

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I think Uren was okay, watching that closely. The Tigers lock stepped over the ball as the scrum wheeled and it was clearly out of the scrum for a split second. Uren reacted to that. By the time he had hands on the ball, the flanker had stepped forward to cover the ball... but once the ball is out you can’t take it back in.

Still, the whole thing was pretty unedifying from Bristol, and also for Genge. He’s a good player in the loose, but like Mako his scrummaging is vulnerable against the top class tightheads.
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Technically not cheating but Its unsportsmanlike to do that.

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My take from that was that the laws clearly need looking at.

Even if you'd taken away the whole touchline debacle and Afoa had just come back on with no delay, the effect of the yellow card, especially with the clock already being in the red, was not to penalise Bristol at all, but in fact to hand them an advantage, as they got to bring back on a first rate prop who'd just had a nice 40 minute rest to square up to Genge, who'd been taking his replacement apart despite having played the full game!

Yes, I know they had to take another player off to make up for Afoa coming on, but at that late stage of the game, the advantage to being able to hold up in the scrum was always going to far outweigh the downside of losing a back...
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My take from that was that the laws clearly need looking at.

Even if you'd taken away the whole touchline debacle and Afoa had just come back on with no delay, the effect of the yellow card, especially with the clock already being in the red, was not to penalise Bristol at all, but in fact to hand them an advantage, as they got to bring back on a first rate prop who'd just had a nice 40 minute rest to square up to Genge, who'd been taking his replacement apart despite having played the full game!

Yes, I know they had to take another player off to make up for Afoa coming on, but at that late stage of the game, the advantage to being able to hold up in the scrum was always going to far outweigh the downside of losing a back...

I sort-of agree, but if it was an advantage, why did Leicester decide to take the scrum again? They could easily have tapped and gone, or gone for the lineout instead.

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I sort-of agree, but if it was an advantage, why did Leicester decide to take the scrum again? They could easily have tapped and gone, or gone for the lineout instead.

They must have indicated that they wanted the scrum again - perhaps expecting that either it would go uncontested or Genge would maintain his edge over Bristol, and not having calculated that a refreshed Afoa would be a more potent threat - as the whole tocuhline debate wouldn't have kicked off if they didn't need a replacement prop on the field. Once they'd made that call, and it had been determined that Afoa needed to come on, it was too late to change it. Though i dare say that if Borthwick or the captain had said "Look, sir, if they're going to play silly buggers can we change our option and go for the tap?" it would have been allowed.

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They must have indicated that they wanted the scrum again - perhaps expecting that either it would go uncontested or Genge would maintain his edge over Bristol, and not having calculated that a refreshed Afoa would be a more potent threat - as the whole tocuhline debate wouldn't have kicked off if they didn't need a replacement prop on the field. Once they'd made that call, and it had been determined that Afoa needed to come on, it was too late to change it. Though i dare say that if Borthwick or the captain had said "Look, sir, if they're going to play silly buggers can we change our option and go for the tap?" it would have been allowed.

They are allowed to change their minds if the situation is changed, yeah. Similar thing happened in another match very recently.

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I enjoyed the holier-than-thou petulance from both of them - they deserve each other.

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I sort-of agree, but if it was an advantage, why did Leicester decide to take the scrum again? They could easily have tapped and gone, or gone for the lineout instead.

Just having to make that choice feels unfair to me.

Personally I'd fix it by saying that if a team concede a yellow card at a scrum inside their own 22, they automatically concede a penalty try to go with it.

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Just having to make that choice feels unfair to me.

Personally I'd fix it by saying that if a team concede a yellow card at a scrum inside their own 22, they automatically concede a penalty try to go with it.
Crikey, that should make some high scoring games, plenty of bonus points too.