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Not sure what to make of the end there. Clearly not as bad as bloodgate but feigning an injury to avoid contested scrums and then reversing that decision when you’re told you’re losing a man if you can’t have contested scrums is at best unsportsmanlike and at worst cheating.

I hope the league do something about that - personally I’d give the match points to Leicester but we obviously suffered a lot more when we cheated so you could argue for a harsher punishment.

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It's not really cheating though is it. He went off at 40 minutes and it was put down as a tactical sub, therefore Bristol are well in their right to bring him back on. Even if they change their mind about whether or not he's injured they technically haven't broken any laws.

Ref wanted Afoa back on, Afoa came back on. Lam wanted to protect his player and buy time, he did that.


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Unsporting from Bristol. Still, Leicester let it get under their skin and coaches and players lost their cool.

Assume the TMO reviewed it, but looked like the ball was still in the scrum when Uren picked it up and booted it into touch for the final whistle.

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Ref should have been stronger. If it was down as a tactical substitution that is it. I also thought Leicester should have had another penalty at the final scrum as Bristol were collapsing. I was left with the feeling all round that Bristol got away with it thanks to unsportsmanlike behaviour. Maybe there is a case for three consecutive penalties at a five yard scrum is an automatic penalty try, not just a yellow card.
It isn't a good look for spectators.
I bet leicester fans left the game feeling pretty let down

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Are Bristol the new Sarries ?

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Credit to the ref for being like a dog with a bone. Not Pat Lam’s finest moment!
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I thought Tempest bottled it. He gave Bristol several ‘final warnings’ in the build up to the eventual yellow card which ate up loads of time and there’s no way Uren got that ball legally.

It was a blatant attempt to cheat by Bristol and ultimately, they were allowed to get away with it.
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While I agree that Uren was illegal there, any decent official would have penalised Genge in that scrum. He got destroyed and ended up facing his own corner flag, with the Bristol back five driving straight and the tigers one running round. Should've been a Bristol penalty regardless of what Uren then did.

Borthwick's anguished braying was pretty funny, especially as he was demanding that Afoa not go back on even though he was clearly fit and that it was a tactical sub originally...
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Whether there was a front row offence before Uren grabbed the ball from the foot of the Leicester player still bound to the scrum, why was that last play not reviewed? Tigers should have scored when the ball went wide & they blew a walk in try. Seems ironic that we’re talking of Leicester being cheated against!
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The ball was out.  The 8 realised and try to get it back in but the ball had come out the back of the scrum.

I don’t see how Bristol cheated? They either go down to 13 or stay at 14......think the team manager made a mistake on the card by looking at his reaction.

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Whether there was a front row offence before Uren grabbed the ball from the foot of the Leicester player still bound to the scrum, why was that last play not reviewed? Tigers should have scored when the ball went wide & they blew a walk in try. Seems ironic that we’re talking of Leicester being cheated against!

This.

Leicester were/are the bench mark for getting an advantage or slowing the game down....

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The ball was out.  The 8 realised and try to get it back in but the ball had come out the back of the scrum.

I don’t see how Bristol cheated? They either go down to 13 or stay at 14......think the team manager made a mistake on the card by looking at his reaction.

Bristol clearly tried to claim that Afoa was injured when he wasn't, and gained some advantage from doing so by giving their beasted pack a few minutes rest. Had they continued to claim he was injured and the game had gone to unconstested scrums, the cheating would've been worse - as it was, it's more like extreme gamesmanship.

Anyway, very funny ending and I thoroughly enjoyed it

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There's a funny irony in seeing ex-Salarycen Wigglesworth so unhappy at the end through another team bending the rules to win a game. What goes around etc

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I'm not sure about any of it really. The sub was down as tactical so by the letter of the law Afoa has to come back on, and borthwick seemed happy with that. Then Lam comes out and says Afoa is injured so shouldn't go back on, gets informed that a player will need to still come off and go down to 13 (also uncontested scrums have to have 8 men meaning that Leicester would have had 7 Vs 5 in the back line). From what I have seen (admittedly from only two quick run throughs) Lam agrees to that but the ref persists that it is down to the team manager and what was written down as tactical so Afoa must come back on. Only at this point does Borthwick get angry because he has then realised the massive advantage they would have got if Afoa couldn't come back on.

In my opinion Lam very nearly lost Bristol the game through trying to keep Afoa off the pitch and the team manager saved them by putting it down as tactical.

Anyway that is just my view.

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Leicester would have had 7 Vs 5 in the back line

And they would've still probably butchered it... the fearsome Leicester pack is back under Borthwick, but they look awful as soon as they try and put any width on the ball. They blew an easy overlap not long before with a basic passing error from Steward.

My impression was that Borthwick and Co definitely wanted another scrum and wanted Afoa back on as they'd been so on top in the scrum during the second half