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How do you get the test? This could be the case for a lot of people so could be the way forward if this was widely available.

Quote from: baggie on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:17*
What about those of us who have had the virus and recovered ? If you get it the survival rate is over 98%

I am aged 66 with no underlying health issues ... I recently tested “negative” for the virus but the test also revealed that I have the antibodies in my system which confirm I have had the virus and this will stop me getting it again

There must be millions like me who have had the virus and recovered without medical intervention ... we fall outside any statistics and therefore do not influence government policy

As far as I am concerned if Quins were playing on Saturday I could attend without fear of catching the virus or transmitting it ... unless I am missing something !
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Just to note : There are very big questions still over the implications of a positive result. If there are antibodies in your blood, it certainly means you have had Covid-19, and you may be immune to getting it again. But nobody knows what level of immunity is conferred, whether some people have an antibody response that gives them greater immunity than other people and how long that immunity lasts.
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I'd also stress that the survival rate might be 98%, but there's a big old difference between "survival" and "unaffected".
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Quote from: JammyGit on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 16:55*
I'd also stress that the survival rate might be 98%, but there's a big old difference between "survival" and "unaffected".

And you might be one of the 2%.
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To counter the point about losses, whilst no rugby is being played the overheads will be lower. Add in the furlough scheme and there is at least some offset to the reduced income.

I understand in football,only a small portion of their income is from ticket money. The majority is from TV, sponsorship and merchandise.

I'm not suggesting that Quins could survive on that basis. But I wonder how much of the gate receipts could be covered by a short term pay per view televised game. In support of the club I'd be willing to pay over the top to watch games. Say, £20 per game. They'd lose out on ancillary profits - bars, concessions, programmes etc - but with more televised games that would open up further sponsorship options.
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Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.
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Quote from: Monte on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 19:53*
Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.

Absolutely. Get them all out there. Herd immunity or let the virus kill itself off.

Buggered if I’m taking part in that experiment, though.
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This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.
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Quote from: Rocker on Thursday 21-May-2020, 07:59*
This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.

So - one sneeze in the West Stand, and dozens infected?

As someone in the high risk category, I'm happy to let others test out the negligible outdoor transmission "theory". Good luck.
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Quote from: Monte on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 19:53*
Good to see positive thinkers out in force it is less deadly than SARS and Mers that some of us have already survived and less contagious in kids than flu. The under 60s need to get out there  unless they have underlying symptoms and live .... it is less dangerous for the kids to be in school than walking to school. We have to learn to live with this or life will pass us by.

cool, SARS killed 774 people worldwide and MERS managed 866. We've had 35k "official" COVID-19 deaths in this country alone in the space of a few months - and millions of infected, with many survivors badly affected by it, potentially for life. And that's with lockdown.

Saying COVID-19 is less deadly than SARS and MERS is missing the point. Yes, if those two were endemic things would be even worse.
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Quote from: Rocker on Thursday 21-May-2020, 07:59*
This can't carry on for ever or the entire country will be bankrupt, let alone rugby. If people are going to work on trains and buses to sit in offices then you might as well go to a rugby match.
There seems to be increasing evidence that transmission in an outdoor environment is negligible.
It doesn't seem to be truly airborne like flu or the common cold, transmission rates within households are far too low, but spread by droplets and bodily fluids.
I'd be back tomorrow if there was rugby.

It does seem mad that rugby players, coaching staff and all the other people who work at the stadium aren't willing to put their lives and the lives of those around them at risk so that I can be entertained.

Maybe they should work a few shifts picking fruit and veg for minimum wage to see how quickly they change their minds!
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Coronavirus: NHS England official cautions against buying antibody tests
NHS England's medical director Prof Stephen Powis says experts are currently evaluating the tests.
bbc.com
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Quote from: Brown Bottle on Wednesday 20-May-2020, 23:20*
Absolutely. Get them all out there. Herd immunity or let the virus kill itself off.

Buggered if I’m taking part in that experiment, though.

Agreed but I've got a few people I'd like to nominate to take my place though!
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1. The Gov't approved Antibody tests are not yet available but non Gov't approved ones are becoming available. These are the tests to establish if you have already had a bout of CV19 and recovered.
2. Tests to see if you currently have CV19 seem fairly freely available although not all these are Gov't approved.
These are Antigen Tests and will only tell you if you currently have CV19 NOT if you have had it previously.
3.It is unknown whether you gain any immunity from having already had a bout of CV19. General Medical Consensus is that it is safer to assume that any immunity gained will NOT prevent you from suffering another bout of CV19. Especially as the virus is already showing signs of mutating.
4. Any airborne virus "aerosols" are less dangerous than contact with hard surfaces infected by carriers of CV19. The wearing of a face mask is very much for the protection of other people from YOU!
5. Younger people are less likely to die from CV19 but there is nothing stopping them from being "SuperSpreaders" and carriers of the Virus.
6. Social distancing is nigh on impossible to enforce, especially in supermarkets and on public transport. Everyone should wear a face mask and use hand gel to protect others. The vehicles should be cleaned at the end of every journey.
7. It may seem that we have been in this crisis for a very long time but in terms of actual medical data to be analysed and recommended against as to how best to deal with CV19, it is embryonic.
8. I really really hate the Media and Politicians making statements based on 20/20 hindsight. It seriously annoys me because some members of the Public actually believe what they hear.

All in All, Professor Deadly says you should listen to the Government Medical Advice, apply a huge dollop of good old British Common Sense and stay safe in any way possible.
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Oh, and we need a Vaccine STAT!
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